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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 7:07 pm    Post subject: some stones Reply with quote

New to the forum here. I'll offer up one of my interests for discussion: Portable Engraved Stone.
http://journeyspirits.dirtbrothers.org/stones/PESindex.html

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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad to see you show up, Coop. That first engraved stone contains the triangles that seem to be a common link with what DarmonVing found back east, Charlie found in Central Texas and what I've found up in Southern Oklahoma. In examining the larger version, besides the two triangles the central engraving toward the top, looks like another variation on the vesica pisces, the fish shaped symbol appropriated by early Christians from the hermetic symbolism of the Greek Mystery Schools. I've noticed that it also crops up quite a bit in North American petroglyphs especially in the burial tablets of the Mississippian moundbuilders.

Is that stone associated with any diagnostic tools or points?
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They just look like some plain old rocks to me. Rolling Eyes There are plenty of actual artifacts out there to find without wasting your time imagining some special engraving on some damn rocks.
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting comments, David. Thanks.

The sites are located in a very hilly karst topography. All of the stones shown in the link were found at the bottom of the valley, at the intersection of three hills. I have found tools and a couple points there, different ages, all surface finds. Although I think that the fact that the engraved stones were all found at the same valley intersection is relevant, the mixed-aged tools found makes it hard to associate an age to the engraved stones.
I am finding other evidence in the area, such as petroglyphs in the cave, carved boulders and cliffs, standing stones, manitou stones, and alignments, that I hope to eventually make more sense of. As I put the overall contextual evidence together, I'll have a more coherent story.
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

frank harrist wrote:
They just look like some plain old rocks to me. Rolling Eyes There are plenty of actual artifacts out there to find without wasting your time imagining some special engraving on some damn rocks.


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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frank, you have seen the engraved stones from Gault, haven't you? How about the Neanderthal lunar "calender"? They are a lot more like "plain old rocks" than Coop's(effigy). Coop's been at this for quite a few years and not exactly the greenhorn you seem to take him for.
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Incised triangles Blombos Cave 100,000 - 70,000 years old.

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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



The Paleo woman discovered at the Wilson-Leonard site in Central Texas was

buried with one of these same carved limestone art pieces, along with a

shark tooth and a sandstone piece.

I bet a dollar it was bird type motiff.

If you take the "wheatstone" from Gault and rotate it 180 degrees, it

becomes a bird motiff with feather's represented by the incisions.

Hi Jeff. Welcome aboard. I've looked at your stuff, and your onto a site

that represents a culture Alan Day ( www.daysknob.com ) has studied for

years.

It represents what apparently was a very widespread and prolific culture.

If you get a chance, take a look at his site (if you haven't already).

I've found an abundance of this carved limestone here in Central Texas.

Where about's you from?
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote





Note the "necking" horses. This is a recurring theme in the late Solutrean and

early Magdalenian cultures. Very cool Jeff! Shocked
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The circle with the distender, which John Lindsey and Dee Johnson used to call the "lollipop sign" is what caught my eye. You will see it in the Quivira Project on the carved stones framing the reconstructed effigy found at Rockwall. I think I mentioned this to Coop in a private message but that symbol is the "qopa" of the Phoenician and other ancient Near Eastern alphabets particularly the Sabaen. It is also found in many petroglyphs of the American Southwest and Mexico. I think the New World version predates the Phoenicians by hundreds if not thousands of years.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Charlie Hatchett wrote:


Note the "necking" horses. This is a recurring theme in the late Solutrean and

early Magdalenian cultures. Very cool Jeff! Shocked


Yes, good eye Charlie. I am aware of the Magdelenian similarites.
There is also a whole lot more to that panel that isn't readily apparent in these images. I'll have all new images later, as I've recently upgraded my camera.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DavidCampbell wrote:
The circle with the distender, which John Lindsey and Dee Johnson used to call the "lollipop sign" is what caught my eye. You will see it in the Quivira Project on the carved stones framing the reconstructed effigy found at Rockwall. I think I mentioned this to Coop in a private message but that symbol is the "qopa" of the Phoenician and other ancient Near Eastern alphabets particularly the Sabaen. It is also found in many petroglyphs of the American Southwest and Mexico. I think the New World version predates the Phoenicians by hundreds if not thousands of years.


The weather is keeping me away from the site this weekend, but I'll go back soon. I'll snap a shot of a particularly nice "lollipop" for you.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The circle with the distender, which John Lindsey and Dee Johnson used to call the "lollipop sign" is what caught my eye. You will see it in the Quivira Project on the carved stones framing the reconstructed effigy found at Rockwall. I think I mentioned this to Coop in a private message but that symbol is the "qopa" of the Phoenician and other ancient Near Eastern alphabets particularly the Sabaen. It is also found in many petroglyphs of the American Southwest and Mexico. I think the New World version predates the Phoenicians by hundreds if not thousands of years.



I see the circle, but don't understand what a distender is. Is that the series of

triangles?
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DavidCampbell wrote:
That first engraved stone contains the triangles that seem to be a common link with what DarmonVing found back east, Charlie found in Central Texas and what I've found up in Southern Oklahoma.


Those are some definitely interesting stones and there does seem to be a common link with the triangles...

These were some triangles that I was able to take some pictures of at a few of my sites a little while ago...










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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I almost forgot this triangular fire-pit-like thing that I just finally found again after I spent over a week looking for it...



I found it about 7 years ago and lost track of it somehow... Rolling Eyes
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